murdoch know about it. who has culpability and signed off on it to happen. >> if you read the journalism, not to excuse it, people old enough to remember walter winchell, a column in new york city-- >> and to make this okay. >> i'm not saying-- i'm saying there's a history of this. an infamous scribblers-- >> air talking apples and oranges. >> still fruit (laughter) >> judy, we heard from rebecca mayor, that the political leaders in britain hate the tabloids and the hearings scheduled where the british government is going to be investigating or looking into the tabloids and the media. what's going to result from that? >> well, i don't know. i mean, i don't know how the government that was totally in bed with the tabloids then all of a sudden turns around and says, oh, we're shocked, shocked, to learn there is gambling in this establishment. i mean, look what was going on here as we've all discussed there, these allegations were around for a long, long time and nothing was done about it. it was the guardian,